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Friday's Daily Dosage - Gagner, Hall, Eberle, Ward...

Holy cow is the best way I can describe it. Historical night as Sam Gagner scored the touchdown with a 2-point conversion. His 8-point night (4g, 4a) included a plus-6 and 6 shots. This was the first time anyone had 8 points in a game since Mario Lemieux did it in 1988. Just one of those points (PPA) was on the special teams, however. To say this came out of nowhere would be pretty accurate. He had gone 11 games without a goal and had just two points in his last nine games. With Ryan Nugent-Hopkins scheduled to return from injury on Saturday night, it will be interesting to see if they wait on reuniting him with Hall and Eberle. I own Gagner in a keeper league and the thought of keeping him hasn't even crossed my mind. Should I be thinking about it now?

Riding the coattails of Gagner, so to speak, were Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle, posting identical lines of 1+3=4 and a plus-4. Hall is riding a 3-game point streak with 3+4=7. Eberle's four points give him 50 on the season.

Ryan Whitney scored his first goal of the season and added an assist. The goal came on the powerplay. This is a situation that I'll be keeping my eye on as Whitney is a free agent in almost every league I'm in. If he's finally healed, big time minutes and PP time will be in his future and he may be able to finish the season in a flurry.

I have to say this just to zing a few friends of mine: how upset are you if you're a Ales Hemsky owner? You wake up and see the Oilers scored 8 goals. Surely Hemsky had a couple of points. But no, he had no points and was a minus-2. Something tells me he may be getting dropped in a league or two.

Lost in the hoopla of the 8-point game was Patrick Sharp scoring two goals including one sharthanded. He fired 7 shots on net, so it looks like he's 100% healthy.

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Cam Ward with easily his best performance of the season puts up a shutout against the Bruins of all teams. He stopped all 47 pucks the reigning Stanley Cup Champs fired at him. He's been very good of late posting sick stats of .951 sv% and 1.62 gaa in his last 12 games. These are the type of stats we had in mind back in October. Had it not been for Gagner, Ward would have the line of the night.

David Clarkson with his second consecutive multi-point effort as he had 2+1=3 , 2 PIM, 1 PPG, 3 SOG, and 8 hits. This guy is really becoming a fantasy asset as he's now sporting 19 goals and 88 PIM on the season.

Three assists for Ilya Kovalchuk last night in 27:38 of ice time and it might be safe to let him back into elite status. He's got 44 points in 45 games on the season. I feel like with that type of ice time even I could put up a point per game. Maybe not, though, my slapshot needs some work.

Two goals for Zach Parise including the GWG. His owners are saying "Thanks Zach, but can you please get some powerplay points?!". The Devils PP is just dreadful.

Niklas Backstrom with a 37 save shutout of the Avalanche last night. I didn't see the game but this impressive stat line is made a little less impressive based on the fact that the Avs just don't have a lot of firepower these days. Especially sans Matt Duchene.

Ilya Bryzgalov is looking a bit better lately as he got the win against the Predators stopping 26 of 27 shots. He's allowed just one goal in 4 of the last 5 games. Unfortunately, he allowed 5 in the other one. Still, the Flyers are going to be leaning on him because they need him playing at a top level if they're going to make a run in the playoffs.

Wayne Simmonds had two goals on 10 shots last night. He's lucky Pekka Rinne wasn't in the net.

Ondrej Pavelec stopped 30 shots en route to beating the Lightning 2-1 in OT. He's put together a good run of late as he's got a .932 save% and 1.83 gaa over his last 8 games.

It was a 40 save night for Roberto Luongo but he took the SOL as he allowed the only two Red Wings shooters he saw to score. I can't imagine what it feels like to see Pavel Datsyuk approaching you with the puck during the shootout. It must be some mix of confusion and fear.

Brent Burns with his first multi-point effort in 16 games and just the third of the season as he had 3 apples. He also had 4 PIM, 3 hits, and plus-1 so nice all around effort for him. At just 7+13=20 on the season, he's really disappointed a lot of fantasy teams.

Five game point streak for Logan Couture as he had 2 assists last night. He has 3+5=8, 4 PPP, and plus-3 for the streak. He's on pace for 67 points which would be a nice step forward after his 56 points last season. The one somewhat disappointing thing is that he only has 10 PIM and he had 41 PIM last year. Mix it up a bit, Logan!

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I had kept him out of the lineup a few times last month (up against the limit) while he was saddled with Hemsky, Belanger or Horcoff
Sure glad I didn’t have him sitting last night.

I own Gagner in a keeper league and the thought of keeping him hasn’t even crossed my mind. Should I be thinking about it now?

I know the feeling I had him penciled in at the beginning of the year as a keeper but had pretty much erased him
not because he can’t play, he just hasn’t been sharing the ice with quality linemates on a regular basis.
The complete disappearance of Paajarvi this season didn’t help.
The performance last night does speak to his elite upside though.

by MasterOfPuppets on Feb 3, 2012 10:54 AM EST reply actions  

Let's not over react.

Sure Gagner had a game of a lifetime. Having watched the game, it just seemed like all the stars seemed to align in Gagner’s favour. Being in the right place at the right time got him up to 8 pts last night. Is this something that makes me forget that up until this point his career has been a general disappointment, slowly declining in production up until this point…..NO. Keep him in your keeper leagues if you want but there are definitely a lot more promising players that I would rather hold on to.

by Molando4 on Feb 3, 2012 12:18 PM EST reply actions  

[slow clap]

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by Cam Collingwood on Feb 3, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Have you ever actually watched him play

while the 8 point result may never be duplicated, this was not an isolated once in a career had a great game moment the talent is there. there was nothing fluky about his points last night
the pass to Hall (first goal) on the breakout was brilliant as was the pass to Eberle for his 4th assist and eighth point

Keep him in your keeper leagues if you want but there are definitely a lot more promising players that I would rather hold on to

this is an example of a statement that means absolutely nothing
of course there are players that I think can be better but how many
in my league 16 teams w/12 keepers = 192 minus aprox. 32 goalies that may be kept
name the 160 more promising skaters and I will listen, and will also tell you why you are wrong ;-)
since Nov 22, a month after returning from the preseason high ankle sprain (if you’ve ever had one you know how long it takes to get full mobility back) Sam has 28 points in 31 games playing with a variety of linemates but generally getting pretty good minutes.
Or at about the same rate as RNH 35 points in 38 games playing almost exclusively offensive zone minutes with Hall and Eberle.
Gagner has shown repeatedly this season when given top 6 minutes with quality linemates that he can produce
He is also a genuinely likeable guy who I want to root for, he fought Francois Beauchemin after he hit Hall, the kids got heart, something I can’t say about some guys that look “promising”

by MasterOfPuppets on Feb 3, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure the talent is there and we’ve been all waiting for him to realize his upside but I’m in agreement with Molando here, if Gagner was any type of a player then he’d wouldn’t be on his way to his 5th straight 40-something point season. Proof is in the pudding here.

Now I’m willing to be patient and see if this launches him to a new level but I’m not sold on him as a big-time player based on one game.

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by Cam Collingwood on Feb 3, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

it isn’t based on 1 game
it’s based on the fact that he is still a very young man who’s not been given much to work with
he has played 2/3 of this season, with Eric Belanger who SUCKS – Jones, Smyth who after the first 20 games fell off the map, Ales Hemsky who can’t find the map, MPS lost his map, and other less notables, all with varying degrees of success
When he has been with Eberle and/or Hall or RNH, there has been success commensurate with same.
I am not advocating based on one game that he should be picked up in shallow leagues
I said that he does in fact have elite upside when playing alongside quality forwards and why wouldn’t I consider keeping a 22 yr old (23 next season) not yet in his prime with the skill set he possesses
he skates extremely well, sees the ice very well, has tremendous passing ability, an extremely quick release on his shot, is a good faceoff man, will play along the boards but has some size and strength disadvantages he is not a great defender.
still he’s 22 years old and played on a terrible team with mostly unspectacular to terrible linemates for nearly 5 seasons now.
I guess your right there is no hope (sigh)
I would love to see him on the Red Wings
with their puck possession offense he would be tremendous.
Still waiting for 150 names

by MasterOfPuppets on Feb 3, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree that circumstances may have held him back but I gotta go with data here…

115 forwards have had breakout seasons (topped 50 points for the first time) in the six seasons since the lockout. Just eight players did it in their 6th season or later:

Afinogenov, Legwand, Vrbata, Hartnell, Weiss, Lombardi, Steen & Ladd.

What I take from those numbers & names is that if you can’t crack 50 in your first five seasons (which is what Gagner is on his way to doing unless he really turns it around this season), then you’re not likely to do it at all and you probably aren’t an elite point producer.

Btw, not that it has anything to do with anything but Gagner is a terrible faceoff man.

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by Cam Collingwood on Feb 4, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Luckiest Gagner owner ever?

I saw Tomas Fleishmann on the wire yesterday and I grabbed him. I figured he’s had a good couple of games and maybe he’ll get it going again. Who did I drop? Sam Gagner.

Why am I lucky? Because the transaction didn’t take effect until today!

Wooo!

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by jaymeyer on Feb 3, 2012 2:34 PM EST reply actions  

That’s brilliant because you know the odds are good that he gets no points tomorrow night.

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by Michael Benedicks on Feb 3, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

What odds you giving?

I’ll take that bet if he lines up with Eberle and Hall

by MasterOfPuppets on Feb 3, 2012 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, if you take his last 9 before the 8 pointer you’d be wrong 7 out of 9 times.

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by Michael Benedicks on Feb 3, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

and look up who he’s lining up with in 7 of those 9 and how well the team in general performed it was not with Eberle and Hall
go back to the 20 games prior to the 9 and you find near ppg production since Nov 22, honest

I am willing to bet on Gagner if he is playing with Hall & Eberle at home vs Detroit and Ty Conklin
so what odds are you giving put me down for 50

by MasterOfPuppets on Feb 3, 2012 8:12 PM EST up reply actions  

If you say he’s a point per game player then you should be giving me odds.

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by Michael Benedicks on Feb 3, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

:-O
That’s brilliant because you know the odds are good that he gets no points tomorrow night.

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by Michael Benedicks on Feb 3, 2012 1:49 PM CS

I am not the one who made this statement
and quit putting keystrokes on my keyboard
I never said he was a point per gamer
I did say that he has 28 points over his last 31 games since Nov 22 (fact)
I also said he has elite upside
perhaps this was my mistake, because I really, really hate that term
maybe I should have said he is a 5 tool player

by MasterOfPuppets on Feb 3, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I’ve heard that 5-tool term about a few of my Mets and they were duds. Fernando Martinez, Lastings Milledge, etc.

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by Michael Benedicks on Feb 4, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

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